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Well, I’m not quite at the $1,000 for the 24 hour challenge yet, but I’m close enough that I’m starting to feel rather comfortable about my position. The problem? Well, it appears that Jim from The Net Fool is exactly what his name implies, and he’s not a very good loser either. He lost the bet, fair and square, and yet he has this to say about it.
I was actually “challenged” by the owner of SiteFlipU.com, who claimed he could flip 5 blogs in 24 hours for $1,000. I really don’t know why he came at me like he did, as I still believe this is an impossible task and there is no way he actually did it all in 24 hours, but check it out because he will make money regardless.
Well, apparently building 5 sites in plain view of everyone watching wasn’t enough to prove to this guy that it can be done. I did my part, and there really isn’t much else that I can do but what I did. Which was post the domains, and let you guys watch as I developed each and every one of them from start to finish in less than 24 hours. I guess that’s not good enough for Jim, so let’s up the anti.
My Challenge To Jim
Now, I’m not normally all that confrontational of a blogger. Quite the opposite really. I’m usually friendly and accommodating to all those around me. But I have to be honest. Building 5 sites in 24 hours was hard work, and I’m not going to take kindly to someone that can’t accept the fact that not only can it be done, it WAS done. I put in a lot of work, and worked 1/2 of a full work week of someone with a 9 to 5 job, IN ONE DAY. Like I have said many times, I prefer my method of 2-4 hours a day, and 5-10k a month. It works for me. So it really pisses me off when I complete a challenge, and then this guy wants to try and discount what an enormous feat this really was, instead of just accepting it, admitting he was wrong, and then moving on to something else.
So Jim, here is my NEW challenge to you.
I’m willing to do this again and stream the entire event LIVE (including an over the shoulder camera), to prove that not only can it be done, it was already done. But this time I refuse to do it for free. Last time, I did the entire thing for free to prove it could be done. So if you doubt that I could do it all in 24 hours, here’s the challenge.
We both move $5,000.00 dollars into an Escrow account, and then do the whole thing over again - LIVE. Since it’s live, there will be no disputing the fact that it was done.
Send me an email and I’ll set up the Escrow account for the challenge. That is, unless you somehow believe that it CAN be done now. What’s there to lose Jim? It’s impossible, remember?
August 24th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Jimmy Boy,
Put up that Student Loan money, don’t say you don’t got it, cuz I know, I go to Penn State. It moves into your personal account next week. Unless, of course, you are one of those silver spoon kids and mommy and daddy pay for it all.
That would make sense, considering you’re acting like a chump right now.
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August 24th, 2008 at 1:22 am
insert your favorite five letter word for chump *HINT* it starts with a B- man my leg has a really nasty itch.
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August 24th, 2008 at 1:51 am
Uh oh. Let’s wait and see what Jim says about this. I’d really like to see a Part 2.
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August 24th, 2008 at 2:55 am
Blog drama is always sweet
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
I hate blog drama. But I also hate when people can’t admit they were wrong. We’ll see what happens.
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August 24th, 2008 at 4:01 am
Good job on the sales.
Why do so many people want to “disprove” “website flipping”? It seems odd to me, especially since all you really have to do to find proof (even before your flips) is to research the marketplace. It’s not like it’s an underground society. lol
It’s like they think website flippers are all a bunch of leprechauns dancing around the flippin’ pot of gold.
Has anyone pointed them to sitepoint.com? lol
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
I dunno Jay. My guess is that they think we’re a secret society that wears black robes, has rituals, and sacrifices goats on a weekly basis.
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Ryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
We do man, don’t you remember last night?
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Ryan, that wasn’t a secret society though, that was a toga party. Secret site flipping society meets on Thursdays.
August 24th, 2008 at 5:16 am
Even the “net fool” isn’t foolish enough to take that challenge.
Don’t waste your time trying to convince this guy, Bryan. He is nothing more than an 18-year old kid with a blog, promoting GPT sites - not exactly a rare commodity. He’s irrelevant.
The funny thing is, on his site he writes: “Make no mistake about it, I’m here to make money and make you rich.” Yeah, when I want to learn how to “get rich” I usually go running to someone who just got out of high school. There’s just a treasure chest of life experience and wisdom there.
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
I really hope he does. As I said before, I’m not a big gambler. But this wouldn’t really be considered gambling to me since I’ve already done it once.
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August 24th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Clark you are a crackhead….., but so am I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You da man! I cannot believe you have $750 in 1 day of posting the 5 sites that took you 24 hours to create.
Freaking Amazing is all I can say!
And yes, I will be giving this a show with 1 site in 5 days. LOL!
Hey, I asked my wife would she writer articles with me for a site I am going to flip and she said, “Let’s do it!” Wifey has an MBA and is a pretty sharp lady, plus her writing is like 10 times better than mine, so I needed to get her on the team. LOL!
Remember, yesterday I posted that she thought all of this was crazy.
Well, she is a believer and so am I!
Clark “The Crackhead” is the Man!!!!!!
Psst: And I am a Crackhead fan!
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Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
Ok,
I like Joe from I’m With Joe, but enough with this crackhead garbage. Freddie, this isn’t going at you, but this is ridiculous. Does anyone even understand what they are saying? Crackhead? Dude, someone please explain to me how this metaphor even makes sense.
Is Bryan trying to S@#K D@#K for a rock? Is he walking around strung out like a zombie? Enough with it already.
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Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
Hahahaha, I feel you dude, I didn’t think folks were gonna take it and run like that. I started it, as a joke, being that he was gonna be up for 24 hours trying to flip these sites, which equal an insane amount of work…more than what a normal person would do…I didn’t think people were gonna be all over it like that!
I even had a guy on my site say ” I don’t know much about this Crackhead guy, but the contest looks interesting” I don’t know man, I think I started a monster….
Also, I think you watch too many movies Nick! All crackheads do not behave in that manner that you described. They do however do stuff that most would find outrageous, impossible, or just plan foolish! That’s where the analogy came from, not that he was a fiend lol.
To all involved, I hope no one has taken offense to my unplanned branding of Bryan Clark lol…if so, I apologize….carry on
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Thanks Freddie. I appreciate all the enthusiasm the last couple of days. Keep that enthusiasm moving in a productive manner, and you’ll do big things.
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August 24th, 2008 at 7:33 am
there is no doubt that the fool sis making money online; and I think some of the comments degrading him above are a bit below the belt.
Though kudos to you my ‘crackhead’ friend you pulled it off brilliantly.
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
I disagree. I think until he can man up and admit that he lost the bet, he deserves to be called whatever these guys wanna call him. I’m not gonna be as harsh as these guys, but that’s their perrogative.
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Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
Ok, Donace, so it’s fine for Fool dude to call Bryan a cheater and insinuate that he cut corners and didn’t adhere to the policies? It’s fine for him to renege on the deal and back out? It’s ok for him to discredit everything Bryan has done? It’s ok for whine and cry after losing an honest battle, and refuse to admit that he was wrong about his original assessment? It’s ok for him to be a poor sport and not act classy, or be a man in defeat?
But it’s not ok for me to sum all those characteristics up into one word, instead of taking the smaller man’s route, like Jim, and allude to a message without directly saying it?
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Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
I hear ya Nick, I guess I didn’t know he renegged on the deal. I’m sure he will man up and write a post for it, but I’m also sure there will not be a part 2. Bryan did it, no matter how you look at it.
He created, added content to, and listed 5 sites for sale in 24 hours, no matter which way you slice it, that’s good in my book
My question would be what were the policies that he “cut” ? I don’t see any, he completed the tasks and we should all look forward to seeing a post by Jim on siteflipu.com
Now if he backs out of that, which I doubt, then…hey, you gotta call it what it is. Thing is, and I told Jim this, you can’t talk in hypothetics and expect others to know. He mentioned on my post that the 20 bucks/site was just a random number, to which I replied that that was the very number that brought on the contest!
As for you Nick…I like how you move dude, straight to the point and no sugar coating, good stuff. Keep it up dude.
Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
I don’t think I said anything worse to Jim than what he implied of me. But, we’re all entitled to an opinion.
Donace reply on August 25th, 2008:
Well the netfool can do what he wants; imho if we stoop down we are no better; I am avid reader of the fools as well as Bryan now that I found his site, though the one who turns the other cheek is the greater man, but then again a coward is the one who does not react.
So I would said react with actions not with words, and that is what I feel Bryan is doing by proposing this new contest…ah well
Good luck
August 24th, 2008 at 7:43 am
This is what I call “Smart” .. You are doing something which can be done..
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August 24th, 2008 at 8:06 am
LOL @ Jay and his little leprechauns…missing the caffeine already are we? Totally agree that it’s not rocket science and there are too many haters. I look on sitepoint and half a brain in your head…combined with the balls to give it a go and anyone can make money doing this.
@ Freddie - I think your anchored text should read crackhead given the amount of times you use it. That being said, I have been loving your commments throughout all this. The crackhead Mr Clarke has definitely givem us all something to think about here.
@ Net Fool…… say no more!
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Freddie reply on August 24th, 2008:
LOL! Maybe there is a future in being a Crackhead. Maybe I should get imaCrackhead.com and flip that as a site, right?
Glad you have been enjoying my comments. I have been having a blast with this!
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
I think you should register that man. It’s solid gold. Just throw up pictures of crackheads wandering the street looking for brains to eat. That’s what crackheads do you know…
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August 24th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Hey hey hey, now gentlemen, let’s not start the throwing the pies at Jim. To be fair, he does know a bit about making some extra change online, maybe he just didn’t know enough about site flipping, or Bryan. I do hope he man’s up and admits he was wrong…we shall see. As for the challenge, I really doubt he’ll take it! I know I wouldn’t, not after what I saw with the first part!
Let’s keep the competitions going but also let’s not start flinging names around lol. But hey, who am I to tell you what to say…I just don’t like seeing buddies getting trashed online.
Now if this second one does happen, not only are you a crackhead…but you’ll be a live crackhead. I can see it now “Crackhead.TV” lol, makin money slinging sites like crack! Gettin High of supply and demand!”
hahahahaha lol, maaaaaaaaaaaaaan
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Freddie reply on August 24th, 2008:
Classic Joe! Crackhead.TV LOL!
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Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
Yeaaaaaaaah boyeeeeeeeeeeee, i’m on that sum bee man! See, I done branded B as the crackhead…that’s a whole new demographic he can reach!
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
I agree. We don’t need to be slinging around names. But I had to draw some attention to the fact that Jim simply can’t man up and admit defeat.
August 24th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Sales Update!
This is a sales update as of 12:15pm Central time.
eBay - $400 - sold
Yoga - $80
Hard Body - $215
Green - $60
Online Dating - $51
Total - $827
Almost there, Clark. Outstanding!
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Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
Sum Bizzle man! Dude is on it! I love it!
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Loving it too. I don’t even have to check my own auctions. I should start posting them all on here and let you guys comment and email the updates to me. It’s pretty nice…
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Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
Yeah man…automatic updates on your auctions, who needs to check email!
Sly from Slyvisions dot Com reply on August 24th, 2008:
Man that’s crazy. I’m with you Joe, I’m loving this!
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August 24th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Yoga now at $100…. I just wrote a post about it!
Good work Crackhead!
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Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
Hahahaha, dang…he’ll never get rid of that nickname now…Bryan “Crackhead” Clark…
Sounds like a UFC fighter! Lol….sorry B…but hey, there must be some way to monetize off of the new traffic you’ll get from the crackhead seraches!
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Sly from Slyvisions dot Com reply on August 24th, 2008:
Sorry to get off topic, but that does sound like a UFC fighter nickname! (I watch UFC myself).
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
I told you. Give it two more weeks and I’ll be ranking #1 on Google for the term “crackhead”.
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Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
Indeed, I never intended for it to catch on like that. Good thing you’re a good sport about it I hope people don’t refer to you as that from now on….
Suite J reply on August 24th, 2008:
LMAO @ ranking #1 for Crackhead. That would be awesome.
Maybe I can pay Joe to do a video about me, calling me “poker”, or “dating” and get me to rank #1 for a term like that where we can make some $$ from it.
August 24th, 2008 at 11:09 am
I don’t appreciate this at all Bryan, very unprofessional. I actually had the post scheduled to go out since I told you I was moving in to school. I am actually astonished that you decided to twist my phrasing with some clever underlining & bolding and sent your cronies to spam my post, I was trying to be friendly as most of the things you are exaggerating are things I never even implied.
Please email me your phone number. I would like to talk to you personally.
Regards,
-Jim
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Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
Unprofessional, Jim? I left a very professional and detailed post on your site, and you deleted it. What’s unprofessional is thinking that you are the end all, and be all of the internet. Just because you can’t do something, doesn’t mean it’s impossible.
You’re a hobbyist when it comes to blog flipping, Bryan’s a professional. He bought a house with his internet money, and now he’s looking into purchasing a vacation home, dude has skills.
It’s like basketball. Anyone can pick up a ball and play. Now just because you happen to play in a rec league, and can’t dunk, does that mean it’s impossible to do because you, yourself, are incapable of dunking a ball?
Jim, when did the contest get scheduled? When did the domains get registered? If Bryan had cheated, as you certainly did imply, then what advantage was there really? You say a 24 hour site can’t be sold for more than 20 dollars. So a three day old site suddenly can be sold for $400 dollars? Wait, wait, wait, he registered the domains the same day, so to a buyer, that’s still a day old site.
I’d be very interested in knowing what you meant to say, because here it is without bolding and underlining….
I was definitely in a rush this week ot [sic] get some work wrapped up before returning to school, but I did manage to have a look around the blogging world and pick up on some action. I was actually “challenged” by the owner of SiteFlipU.com, who claimed he could flip 5 blogs in 24 hours for $1,000. I really don’t know why he came at me like he did, as I still believe this is an impossible task and there is no way he actually did it all in 24 hours, but check it out because he will make money regardless
Let’s break it down…
I still believe this is an impossible task and there is no way he actually did it all in 24 hours
You are saying he cheated, correct? What else are you implying? You are saying that you were correct, Bryan cheated (even though we all watched him build the sites one by one), and that what he did proved nothing.
Jim, have you looked at the site? He really only had to do the framework once. He used the layout from this site on half of them, and used the revolution magazine theme on the others. All that was left was the fine tuning, which is a lot of work, but the framework is the biggest challenge.
So I’m really confused. Is there some double talk here or something, are you suggesting that he actually did it all in 10 hours? Because it looks to me your words were left in context, and you were saying that he didn’t do this all in one day.
If you are saying that he actually must have done it in less time, then I sincerely apologize.
Here’s what Bryan said in response:
Well, apparently building 5 sites in plain view of everyone watching wasn’t enough to prove to this guy that it can be done. I did my part, and there really isn’t much else that I can do but what I did. Which was post the domains, and let you guys watch as I developed each and every one of them from start to finish in less than 24 hours.
Now Jim, from where I sit, this isn’t unprofessional. He just quoted you, in the exact context in which it was written, as I have, and responded to it in a professional manner. He didn’t insinuate that you are a cheater, nor did he call your skills into question.
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Jim, I don’t give out my personal number. It’s the only way that I can keep work at work, and maintain a home life. When working at home, the two often blend, and it’s my easy fix to keep that from happening. That said, on Skype my username is onemansgoal. I have no problem with chatting it up with you on there.
And my problem isn’t with you personally. I think you are an alright guy, and you have a bright future ahead of you. But, I don’t take kindly to having my work discounted because you don’t believe that it can be done. Yet, you’ve never tried it, so it’s just easier to doubt that someone else can do it.
My question to you is this. If you “had the post scheduled” and you knew that I was doing the challenge on Friday/Saturday. How could you post that comment saying there’s no way I did all that in 24 hours, if you didn’t actually see it happen, or even know the results. Wouldn’t you want to wait and see the results before posting something like that?
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August 24th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Whoa, a guy takes a nap and it gets all crazy in here.
Here I am trying to give away a cup of coffee at my site, and Bryan’s offering $5,000 challenges with like a gang of 400 people behind him. I gotta up my game. lol
Once again, good job. If the challenge doesn’t happen, you should do it live anyway just for “fun”. lmao
Cheers!
Jay
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Maybe after my short vacation Jay!
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August 24th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I guess everyone is now wondering the same thing…what did your words mean before they were bolded and underlined?
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
I don’t see how he can take issue with the bold and underlined words. The text remained the same, just showing people the part that made me mad enough to write that post.
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August 24th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Ouch! Things look like they’re getting a bit crazy in here!
I know nothing except that from where I stand, it looks like Bryan held up his part of the deal.
And the eBay site sold for $400? That’s a lot more money than people expected. All together they all total up to $800 and change. But, some of the sites are still getting bids, so it can go up.
Also, if Bryan wanted to, he could just sell all of them at the bid they’re at now, and pocket $800 for a days work — not bad Bryan!
I can’t believe I’m just now hearing about this stuff. I feel like I’ve been living under a rock —
Great work Bryan! I enjoyed keeping up with every last big of it!
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Thanks Luis. You’re encouragement and enthusiasm has been infectious. Hope it continues. I need people like you to function!
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August 24th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
But did he really do it ALL in 24 hours? No…he had content/niche research prepared ahead of time.
It’s not tough to install 5 blogs, install the themes, add some plugins and copy and paste content, then copy and paste a sales letter on SitePoint. Unless I’m missing something here. I can do the same in a 24 hour period and I have. (minus the SitePoint part)
I realize that he ended up having to do the content for the eBay site, and I did not read all of the comments but I think that is the only one that he had to do. The content is the tough part, the rest is easy.
At any rate…a new blog CAN be sold for greater than $20 as was clearly proven.
As far as the work to put these together…geez, if I had content given to me…I can put together 6 of these suckers in a day granted my eye ballz would bugging and my old man arthritis in my hands would be begging me to stop!
I learned a ton from this blog…most importantly…there is a market for blogs that I build!
great job Bryan!
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Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
I think the challenge of the whole thing, was that they were new sites, not 30 day old sites, not even 5 day old sites, the sites where all created in that period.
domain registration, new in 24 hours
content added to blog, new in 24 hours
themes installed and setup, in 24 hours
ebooks/monetization source added, in 24 hours…
that’s what I took away from the contest, you can sell a brand new site, that you setup that day, for profit, no matter if it’s small or large.
I could be wrong, but that was my take on the whole challenge, could a day old site sell for more than 20 bucks.
Bryan answered with a loud YES lol…however, if I missed the point of the contest, then…disregard what I said hahaha
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Luis Gross reply on August 24th, 2008:
Yes, I’m with Joe — literally!
That’s exactly what I understood as well.
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The Net Fool reply on August 24th, 2008:
Yeah, I just kind of threw $20 in there to slam site flippers. He took it a bit too literally, but since he’s a pro he was able to go a lot beyond that which was what I was looking for.
A lot of people are overreacting to a post that I wrote up on Thursday night scheduled to launch on Sunday. Bryan knew that I wouldn’t even be here, so I’m a bit confused why he assumed that I am tracking this thing by the hour.
Great work as always Bryan, but this post is a total outrage. I just hope that you man up and give me your number so we can talk about this in a sane environment.
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Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
Dude, you keep talking about how you aren’t slamming Bryan, but you take a dig at him in everything you say. First it was that you didn’t say anything wrong in your post, but you insinuate he didn’t do it in 24 hours, you call all his readers ‘crackheads’, i don’t know where your from, but that’s an offensive statement- everything about it negative-, you call him a fool in your comments, and now you are saying he needs to man up…. and what did he do? He defended himself. This response should be expected, you attacked him out of nowhere.
Oh and speaking of manning up, Jim, why would you delete this comment from your site?
As a fellow Penn Stater, I really want to side with you on this one, but I can’t. For the sake of full disclosure, I’m a long time reader of Bryan’s sites, and I’ve come to know him over the last year. I don’t agree with everything he says or does, but I do know this: he’s been completely transparent in this whole process.
Dude, I told him to do some of the shit behind closed doors, and he staunchly refused. Bryan knows me well enough to never divulge a secret, so I would bet my life he had, he would of told me. He kept telling me that he wanted to see if he could do it, as a personal challenge.
And Jim, let me ask you something. Do you really think a three day old site, with say, with absolutely no traffic, with posts written 3 days in advance, would really make a difference in value? No, but the thing is, he never did any of that. He built the sites all in one day.
Jim, I really thought you were better than this. I really like your site, but I hate people that can’t take a loss like a man. So what, someone is better than you at something. This is what he does for a living, he started flipping sites six months ago and has already purchased a house, this is his job. For you, it was a foray into something. You aren’t going to beat LeBron James in one-on-one, so what made you think you could beat a professional anything at something when you are a hobbyist? He’s at 765, you lost bro, suck your lip up and stop being sore because someone beat you.
See you on campus… oh, and I’m an Ohio State fan anyways.
Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
OK, then if that’s the case…did he really do anything that spectacular?
The only thing that is awesome is the niche research and the sales letter on SitePoint.
He didn’t design the site, he used themes that someone else designed, in most cases he used someone else’s content.
yeah, that’s a lot in one day sure but anyone that has the knowledge to install Wordpress, themes and plugins and learned copy and paste can do what he did.
I need to establish relationships with content creators and graphic designers and figure out where to get some ebooks and I’m in the site flipping game.
I’ll study the sales letters on SitePoint and bang a few out. Contact me if you want to take care of the content, graphics and/or ebooks and we’ll get in biznass together. I’ll put together the blogs as fast as you ca send me the content and graphics. Jim, you in?
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Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
Correction: By “someone else’s content” I mean content created by someone else, but I’m sure ya knew that
….and re-reading it I realize I might sound like a douche…if that’s the case I apologize…
This site is amazing and I have learned a ton from it…it’s unbelievable!
Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
I don’t see anyone else doing it, and the whole point of this is for Bryan to show everyone that anyone can do this. he’s teaching everyone the tricks here, so follow along and do it with him. That’s the point of the site, he knows, he teaches, he shows, we do
Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
Then he did as planned.
Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
@Keith
I hear ya man…sure, maybe it’s not that difficult to flip a site, but…there’s got to be something to it right? Or else we’d all be living off of it lol, Bryan stepped up to the plate, he completed the challenge, he smashed the expectations…though many had an idea he’d do it, to actually see it was something else. Thing is, he laid out his plain all the way for us to see…if one looks at the events, you can easily see how to get started in this thing.
He has his systems down to a science, he knows exactly what he is going to do, and he did it. I think what was special, was that he was taking a challenge to see if he could sell BRAND NEW sites, that he created that day and listed. So far, they all have bids, and one already sold…. I think that’s what’s special lol.
At least to me…nobody said it was anything secret or new, but it is proven, and he proved it again. Bottom line is there is more than $20 to be made with site flipping.
I learned a lot
Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
@Joe
True true…
I thought more about it…the “spectacular” part was the knowledge of what pieces to put together, the niche choices, the sharing of the knowledge and most importantly… putting in work.
Most folks don’t put in work…have lots of “theory” but don’t put in the steps…
I’m very happy that I came by this site (by following your links)…but poor Jim, he must be embarrassed
Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Let’s remember that the challenge said nothing about outsourcing the content. Jim said that “24 hour sites won’t go for more than $20″, I’m paraphrasing of course, but that was pretty much it. Outsourcing the content was a no-brainer. How many of you can honestly say that you can write 10 articles each for 5 sites? Who amongst us can do 50 quality posts in a day?
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Normal Joe reply on August 24th, 2008:
Not I, and that’s what I thought the contest was 24 hour sites selling for more than $20. Good job B
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Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
yeah that’s definitely a lot of content…
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August 24th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Lay off Jim, the post was on auto post (so I’ve been told) and this thing is not worth it..
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Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
So Jim’s plan was to trash Bryan and call him a cheater without knowing anything that happened?
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking when I read that too. You should wait to see the results before trying to thrash someone’s effort. Anyway, Jim is who he is, and I’m not that guy. I would have admitted defeat had I not been able to do this.
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August 24th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
It’s the frigging internet it’s not as if he slapped your mother. Have you guys ever heard of letting it go?
If he said something against you who cares? You know you made the money why go all out and write defensive posts against it.
I can’t imagine how many times people have told me I can’t make a penny online and I could really give a damn about it, why can’t you bryan?
From the looks of it you’re a great internet entrepreneur I don’t see why you should get pissed off at stuff like this.
It’d be like me going up to Bill gates and telling him that he can’t code for shit. He’ll laugh, cause he knows it’s not true.
I wish you luck with your future site flipping projects and if you bought a house with the money I hope that it serves you well.
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
Defensive post? I actually took the offensive on that one and launched a new challenge. I’m no longer mad at Jim, just want to prove beyond a doubt that it’s possible, and that he’s wrong.
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Luis Gross reply on August 24th, 2008:
@Germz - I see what you mean, but you didn’t make a bet with Bill Gates regarding if he could code or not.
A bet’s a bet.
And, some people take pride in their work. Not everyone in the “friggin” world is like you.
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
A+ goes to Luis. It’s really more about the pride that I put into creating these sites, and I actually took this challenge to push myself as well. I did that, and he takes the low road… not cool.
August 24th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
(korprit)
*shaking head*
internet drama always gets under my skin.
i’m very interested in the process and the end result, but i’ll take a break for a few days until all the flames die down. no point in reading dozens of people rant and rave while excelling at getting absolutely no where.
let bryan and net fool sort it out.
i’ll be back to check for new posts in a few days
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
Probably a good call Korprit. Getting a little heated here! Things will get back on track tomorrow.
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August 24th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Who cares? So Bryan made some money and Jim is being Jim. We don’t need to read about high school type b.s. Look what’s done is done and move on. Go back to doing your thing Bryan and same with Jim. Why does everyone defend other bloggers like they’re family? It’s not a big deal! Worry about your own stuff, make money, and go on!
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
I agree to an extent that it’s gotten out of hand David. But the simple matter is, part of our agreement was the loser had to admit defeat. So it’s about more than him being a sore loser, he’s backing out of the deal and shedding doubt on the situation. It happened, admit it, and we’ll move on. It’s more about backing out of a deal, and less about a war of words.
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Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
exactly… and pissed off people, and drama= bigger numbers
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August 24th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Hmmm….I was just doing some math…kind of a break even analysis…
I’m just guessing on the numbers cause I’ve never outsourced too much but let’s say…
1) we can get posts written for 5 bucks a piece…that would be $50 per blog
2) we can get header graphics designed for say 5 bucks (probably costs even more than that)
3) no idea about the ebook resale rights
4) say we genuinely paid for the Developers license (or multi-use) from WooThemes or Revolution Themes so that we can actually sell the blog legitimately with that theme, we are looking on average $175 for the license and let’s just go with 5 blogs for now…so that would be $35 per blog in the beginning (obviously this one will break down to pennies if we stick with it)
Now…for 5 blogs, if my math is correct we’re looking at about $90 per blog. Add in the cost to list on SitePoint. I read that is $10 (flat I think)…then factor in PayPal’s fees if using PayPal…I assume there would be some escrow fees as well of course.
So…approximately $100+ per blog to break even…
Any thoughts???
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
Keith. I pay around $2 per blog post (I buy in bulk to get the discount), the themes are practically free at this point, they’ve paid for themselves many times over, and I’ve begun making the headers myself, which costs nothing but my time. I outsourced the design work on this project, but I didn’t get the graphics back in time, so I had to do them myself. The rights to the books were also free. I get people that give me these things all the time in hopes of a joint venture. Most of the time they agree to let me sell or give it away. Or, if in doubt, you can buy these for about $5 a piece is you do an online search for master resale rights.
So let’s do the math for a break-even analysis.
40 blog posts @ $2 = $80 (remember, I had to do one myself)
Graphics = Free
Ebooks 5 @ $5 = $25 (although in this case free)
Sitepoint Fees 5 @ $13 = $65
Domains 5 @ $6.95 = $34.75
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$204.75 to break even/5 blogs = $40.95 per blog as a break even point. I’ve successfully made a profit on all of the flipper blogs already.
So far that means I’m up about $600 profit with 20 hours worked, or about $30 an hour. But if that goes to $1,000 then I’m at about $50 an hour. It’s profitable, but not my favorite way to make money!
I didn’t include the theme in this scenario, because I purchased it months ago, and if you did the math, with the developer license, it’d be worth very little right now since it’s paid for itself many times over.
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Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
OK…I like those numbers better.
So to break into it you’d have to bite the bullet on the cost for the themes but that would be paid for in no time.
About the posts at $2.00 a piece. Can you give more details please? how many posts should I expect to buy to get that price? Is it just one person or a team? Do you have to pay up front and then ask for the content as you go along? If that’s the case I’d worry about them producing the content in the time frame that you want or that they know the niche. But I guess if you are paying a company they could likely take care of it. care to reveal your source?
Thanks Bryan…
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Exactly. I don’t count the themes as part of the expense, because the number would get smaller and smaller everytime I use them. Plus, I use the Fresh News theme here at my blog, so I would have chalked that expense up just to use it here.
I don’t think I’m gonna be divulging my source of content anytime soon. Nothing personal, and I’m usually pretty transparent, but being that this is how I make money online, I can’t really give that one away. If I did, they might get overwhelmed with work, and the turn around time for my stuff would be much greater. On top of that, I like the price where it is! Don’t want anyone luring them away by offering more money… :p
August 24th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
oh and the domain name too
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Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
He already added that. But Bryan, you did have issues with some of the content, no? Shouldn’t you get some sort of discount on the deal?
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Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
Yeah I added that before he replied but in the wrong spot, but thanks…good thing I’ve got you to keep me on my toes.
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August 24th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Why was it wrong that he outsourced the contest? Whether it was a 30 day contest or a 1 day contest, outsourcing the content is a smart idea… you can get it for cheap, and that’s probably the hardest part of the project.
Who cares if he used the same themes? There’s tons of websites being sold using the Revolution theme….. Bryan’s just happen to be 2-3 of them.
Did you want him to not use wordpress or any content management system? Did you expect him to code and design a CMS or blogging platform by hand?
As far as the “beforehand niche research” complaint… I have a notepad file full of niche ideas i write down, and investigate. Anyone who deals with niches online probably has a similar system, if not written or typed down, then definitely in their head.
As Joe and others have been saying, Bryan created the site in 24 hours…. which was the terms of the agreement… Site creators outsource stuff all of the time.
But, there’s always those who will hate…. I own a link building website, and people always say that link building isn’t important to the SERPs when I’ve seen first hand that they are extremely important. No matter what it is, there’s always skeptics.
No one is doubting that Net Fool can make money online… in fact, this all started because he doubted site flippers could make money online, especially if they do quick flips. Then when put to task about it, he couldn’t man up to what he said.
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Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
I assume part of that is directed towards me…
“Why, was it wrong that he outsourced the contest?”
Nope not at all. I was simply expecting some amazing feat…which to me it would have been something pretty amazing had he created 50 unique posts the same day plus setup the blogs. Putting together 5 blogs with existing content just wasn’t as impressive to me as it would have been had he created the content same day. I thought when I read about this challenge that he was going to do the whole 9 yards same day (my mistake)…but you obviously didn’t catch my meaning…I wasn’t trying to be offensive…but I can see why you might think that..
“Who cares if he used the same themes?”
Perhaps this questions wasn’t directed towards me but in case it was…I think it was smart that he did…not really sure why you think I was suggesting that I thought it was a bad idea (or that I “cared”)
You can reply if ya want but if it’s too argue I won’t waste time replying…I’m here to learn
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Joshua from Debt Aim reply on August 24th, 2008:
I didnt even remember who wrote it… i kinda of skimmed through the comments and responded what i felt.
Yah… if he wrote 50 articles in a day, him selling the blogs for $1000 wouldnt have been too big of a feat…. the feat woulda been writing 50 quality articles in a day.
Thanks for realizing that you read a lot into the contest terms than were actually there…. I hope others do.
I’m not looking to argue either… i need to work on my flip blog instead… was just speaking my mind on ridiculous expectations some had…. when what he did do was quite ridiculous in and of itself.
And i just had an epiphany… I bet many people look at blog flipping like I do at PPC. I KNOW people make tons of money with it… i tried it and i didn’t…. i lose money… I just can’t hate on PCC just because it didn’t work for me.
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Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
Best of luck with your flip blog
Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
Oh, and I don’t hate…I’m a lover not a hater lol
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Outsourcing content was the only way I would have been able to pull this off. If I had to write 50 posts, that would have been roughly 25 hours (30 minutes per post). That’d leave me no time for the actual install or customization of the themes.
Plus, you have to think of the quality of the product you are selling. If I was able to do 50 posts and the installs/customization in 24 hours, would I really want to put my name on that when I go to sell it?
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Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
Right on man, right on. I got moleskin notebooks full of ideas, stats, etc. Was Bryan not allowed to think about the contest before hand? Was he supposed to be put in comatose until it started?
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August 24th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Bryan, I decided to purchase some WooThemes cause I saw yours…drop an aff link if ya want…I’ll be buying tonight
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August 24th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Thanks for the consideration. Here’s my Woo Themes link. Hope you have as much success with their great themes as I have.
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August 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Bryan…thanks for the link…
About the content…I see you have established a relationship and want to keep it secret and I respect that…
I’ve read your whole blog and I believe that is the only missing ingredient that I need and which wasn’t covered (unless it was an over sight)..
Where might you suggest someone starting out to go? Also any tips to make it a better experience? What to ask for? What to steer clear of? What to expect?
Thanks in advance!
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Nick reply on August 24th, 2008:
Keith go check out the Digital Point Forums, there’s a lot of starving people there that will work for cheap. The only problem you might have is sifting through a couple writers until you find out that will actually pass a copyscape test. You get what you pay for, if you find someone willing to write for you at a dollar an article, chances are it’s gonna be crap. I don’t really know the going rates, but there’s a ton of people that are willing to sell themselves short. Just when dealing with these types of writers don’t expect anything revolutionary, it’s going to be rather robotic, regurgitated stuff. You aren’t going to get a real, quality, author - as in someone fit for print- for under 30 dollars a post. But you aren’t looking for that with a flipper blog, you just want something that is going to read well enough to generate a sale.
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Keith reply on August 24th, 2008:
Thanks Nick.
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
Keith, I put the topic in my “post ideas” folder and I’ll touch on that soon. I have lots of resources for $5 articles, but to get them as low as the $2 articles I get, you have to buy a lot of them at a time. I go through and buy 100+ articles at a time on various niches and then stockpile them for future flips.
August 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Actually…theme aff link is broken but I scooped out what I think would be the redirect link: http://www.woothemes.com/amember/go.php?r=1473&i=b0
I’ll try that
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Thanks for pointing that out Keith. It’s fixed now. Woo Themes
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August 24th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
You guys are acting like I’m refusing to admit defeat. He’s going to get a whole post, that’s just a Sunday Link Love. Overreaction.
Bryan: I’m still waiting on your phone number. You can rant all you want about nothing at all on your blog, I really could care less, but until you get on the phone with me in person I’m going to assume you are unwilling to talk like gentlemen.
Nobody called anyone a cheater… it’s all in your head and your ego.
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
No ego involved Jim. And like I said above, the phone number is off limits. It’s hard to keep work at work and home at home when you work from the house, but I’ve shared my Skype info with you. I’m down to chat it up on there. Username is onemansgoal. If you don’t have it, go download it. You can’t be an internet marketer without Skype.
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Nick reply on August 25th, 2008:
in his head…. and 50 other people’s….
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August 24th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
k thanks Brian…$5 is reasonable, I’m down with that. I’ll await the post. In the meantime someone suggested elance. I’ll check it.
about the themes…I went to purchase but after reading the fine print it says the “multi-use” license is only for a limited time and you are automatically setup on a subscription… eff that
I’m trying to be honest and respect the designers but that’s not worth it IMO. they wouldn’t even know if I used it past the date…and plus it’s available as a torrent…but still
I emailed them to see if they will grant me lifetime access for $150. We’ll see…ThemeSpinner has some nice multi-use themes for lower prices but just not as slick looking…
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August 24th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Am I too hung up on a nice theme? Can I do well with some free ghetto themes? lol
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
IMO Keith, the theme is what sells these sites. It’s all about eye candy, and it doesn’t matter how great your posts are to most buyers, people want flash. I would buy a site on content alone, but if it looked like crap, I’d expect a huge discount.
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
I’d jump on the subscription Keith. Access to all the themes, plus all future releases? It’s proven invaluable for me. Just imagine always having quality themes at your fingertips, plus access to the newest and greatest themes at all times. It’s worth it to me, but I’m a big advocate in investing in your business for maximum returns.
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August 24th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Brian, all I can say is good dam job. Your definitely an inspiration for the rest of us to try new things. My 24 hour site flip project has already received one bid on site point! in less than 24 hours of being live. Definitely going to be hanging out around here!
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Bryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
Thanks Ben. I’m so glad to hear about your success on a 24 hour flip. Care to write up a quick post so I can add you to a new “success stories” section I’m working on? Feel free to link to yourself and any affiliates you’d like.
If you are up for this, just send it my way via email. I’ll get it up asap.
Congrats again, and I’m glad you’ll be hanging around these parts more often!
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Ryan reply on August 24th, 2008:
Success stories section? Dude!
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Bryan Clark reply on August 24th, 2008:
Yeah, it’s in the works. Just a category devoted to flipping success stories. Why don’t you send me a post Ryno?
August 25th, 2008 at 12:40 am
@Bryan np dude, soon as this wraps up Ill have it in your inbox for sure!
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Bryan Clark reply on August 25th, 2008:
Killer! Can’t wait to see it.
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August 25th, 2008 at 3:44 am
Bryan, if I were to flip sites, would I be able to sell my blogs on a free theme? Or do I have to purchase rights to them?
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Bryan Clark reply on August 25th, 2008:
There are no rules in this game buddy. But I recommend going for the paid themes.
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August 25th, 2008 at 6:06 am
If your paying $5 an article (or in Bryan’s case $2) How many words or how long would you expect the post to be?
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Bryan Clark reply on August 25th, 2008:
I generally specify that I’d like 300-500+ words for an article.
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August 25th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Thanks for the quick reply.
For my next site I’m going to add a few tutorials, even though there going to be longer than a standard blog post, was trying to get a rough estimate on what prices I should be paying. Unless tutorial writing is completely different
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Bryan Clark reply on August 25th, 2008:
Not sure on that one. I’ve never done a tutorial site. Sounds like fun though. Good luck!
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August 25th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Alright Bryan, I feel like helping you out.
You want to prove that thenetfool is a sham? I posted this a while ago in his comments but he sadly deleted the comment. Shame maybe?
If you look at this page,
http://www.thenetfool.com/marketleverage-care-package/
He says that he hasn’t even made 25 bucks. “As mentioned in the clip, I have only made about $20 with Market Leverage thus far…”
But if you look at his previous posts,
http://www.thenetfool.com/make-money-with-email-and-zip-submits/
He is talking about making hundreds of email and zip submits from market leverage.
I posted the same thing I’m posting here the day he got the gift care package and the fool deleted the comment.
So if you want to prove that “Those who can’t do, teach” I suggest you post this comment in one of your posts to let everyone know what kind of person the netfool is.
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The Net Fool reply on August 25th, 2008:
I deleted it because you clearly aren’t reading it. Where on earth do I claim that I made $100s with that method? Find me that sentence please. Anyone who reads my blog knows that I’m not an affiliate marketer, I just tell them how it’s done so people can make their own calls.
I’m a teacher, not a do’er… as I honestly don’t want to be a full time marketer. Does that make me a fool, or a friend?
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Mike reply on August 25th, 2008:
So basically It’d be like me selling poison to a kid, promising them that if they drink it they’ll grow wings and fly the fuck out of the world?
Why would you teach when you’ve obviously never done it.
You’re giving out theories and you promise people results, how can you promise that when you haven’t seen them yourself.
Don’t delete comments from a post, it shows that you are afraid to be exposed for the sham you are.
You owe to your readers to tell them everything you post is a theory and you clearly only make a measly small amount of money from the pathetic ads you sell on your blog and the sign ups you’ve gotten for swatcash.
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August 25th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
You guys are all pathetic lol The fact that we have two grown people here fighting over something this stupid is remarkable. Also with everyone else picking sides is just stupid on its own. Let all this crap go people! Get a life and just do what you do! Grow some balls for once people and do your damn thing
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August 27th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Wow! If this was happening in front of me I’d probably just slap everyone and tell them to go home To be honest, I actually enjoyed reading this post and every single one of it’s comments, I guess I like these type of articles (controversial ideas/discussion). If only more bloggers started posting articles like this
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August 27th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
hi, you’ve inspired me!! So, I’ve decided to do the same thing you did. only a bit different. instead of 24 hours, I like to take 2-3 days to finish 3 website.
What I want to do is have a wordpress website like the one you have of ebay, but I like to copy and paste articles from articles directories like ezine, and goarticle, with the authors link attached. I just want to know that will it still sell, if i have traffic coming (100 a day, with 20 backlinks, and a prove of ebook profit). thats all.
I’ve been wanting to sell website like that in a quick way. but I just hate writing. thats why I want to just copy and paste articles with it (I dont want to outsource right now, just this time only). so i like to know that will it still sell for more than lets say 200 dollar, provided i did every thing i said on the before (100 a day traffic, 20 backlinks, an ebook with some proven profits).
I like your thought on that.
best of luck
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Bryan Clark reply on August 28th, 2008:
I explained more in the email you send me Nabeel, but this won’t work. Sitepoint will remove your auction, and you’ll still have to pay the listing fee if you use duplicate content. It must be unique content.
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August 29th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I’m pretty new to the site but this is definitely some good action right here!
Jay
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August 31st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Hey Bryan, “veni vidi vici!”
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Bryan Clark reply on August 31st, 2008:
Indeed. Glad you got to see it first hand. Hope you hang around now that it’s over!
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November 23rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
My first flip is always pending on SitePoint.
Maybe in one years I could flip 5 sites in 30 minutes ;p
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