In the Blog Flipping forums I recently addressed a question from another user regarding the usage of expired domains in site flipping. This is something that I’ve had huge success with and, due to the fact that I have nowhere to post right now (following the sale of the affiliate post), Bryan has given me the chance to voice my experience here for you all.
“If you are creating a blog from scratch to flip, what is the general thought on buying a pre-existing domain to use vs. a brand new domain?”
In answer to that question I must point out that I use expired domains wherever possible; I prefer them to new domains as, if you do your homework, you can pick up a domain that has instantly more value than a new one. You see an aged domain has value! That’s right…all those old domains you have that you never get round to doing anything with are ageing and, like most things in life, with age comes value. No doubt you all heard about the guy who bought pizza.com back in ‘94. He did nothing with the site other than pay his registration fee every year and recently sold the domain for $2.6 Million!
There are several factors that aid the value of the domain alone and here is a quick list. Not by any means definitive…but for any new people it’s a good overview of what to look for:
- AGE - The older the better!
- DOMAIN - Is it a short, snappy, memorable name? ‘ABC.com’ is infinitely better than ‘thelongestdomainnameinthewholewideworld.com’
- SUFFIX - For any poker players out there you will understand this example - a ‘dot com’ beats a ‘dot info’.
- PR - Does it have any?
- LINKS - Again, does it have any? and more importantly where are they coming from?
- HISTORY - There are a whole host of things to look for here such as is banned from Google? has it ever been used for porn? Does it have existing traffic? Etc etc
Buying Expired Domains
So, you know what you are looking for, how do you go about it? Well I follow somewhat of a set process for searching out domains and the routine I follow is something not too dissimilar to this:
- Sign up for TDNAM - There are many others like it but this is my expired domain market of choice. Best $4.99 I ever spent!
- Log in and search for your keywords of choice - this can be done with domains beginning with or containing your keywords. I am assuming that you have done your research here of course!
- Sort your expired domains - I normally sort them by current estimated traffic by clicking on ‘traffic’ twice to get them from high to low. Each to their own but this works for me. One of the reasons I am looking for expired domains is instant traffic so it makes sense right?
- Seek your expired domains - I usually start by showing 500 domains on one page and scanning to see if there are any big traffic pullers that fit my budget. I also look for what I call ‘stand out’ domains, or those that grab my attention.
- Spot check your expired domains - This is where I will do quick checks on anything that takes my fancy. Usually by using dnscoop I will have a look to see if the domain has any of the attributes I mentioned above.
- Watch your expired domains - Having missed out on some great domains before I recommend you ALWAYS do this. Just check the ones you like and add them to your ‘watching’ list. I often add domains that I just want to see what it sells for…it never hurts to watch the market!
- DUE DILLIGENCE - Don’t ever jump into buying anything; I cannot stress this one enough! As mentioned earlier, check the domains history as thoroughly as you possibly can. Using iwebtool ‘Google banned checker’ is a good place to start. Do some relevant searches on Google and yahoo which will always give you some info on the domain. If I have a load in my watch list from my first round of vetting then this is where a great number of domains that looked good initially will fall down. Check, check and check again.
- Buy Your Expired Domain - More often than not I will wait till the auction has less than 24hrs to go before bidding. Again, this is probably nothing more than personal preference but I hate the time I waste checking on the bid status. By waiting you can also see if there is any interest from other parties.
- Last Minute Advice - Don’t go over what you intend to spend. There are many other domains out there so just stick to your budget. I have never spent more than $30 on a domain so far and have still managed to pick up some really great PR2-PR4 domains. If you are on a budget then start by searching the closeout sales for $5 domains.
- JOB DONE - Congratulations, you just bought an expired domain. You will be required to wait for the ‘grace period’ to elapse - whereby the current owners do still have time to rescue their beloved domain. I have never lost a domain in this fashion though so start preparations for your new domain name.
Using Expired Domains
“If you are creating a blog from scratch to flip, what is the general thought on buying a pre-existing domain to use vs. a brand new domain?”
For those that think I have gone off track here do not fear. There is a simple answer to this question and the general thought is good - especially if you are using said domains for flipping.
It is hard not to see how much value can be added to a site flip just by using an expired domain. This is not to mention that if you have a 30 day old domain it would look funny to a potential buyer if you had more than 30 days of content on the site, whereas with an expired domain you can always backdate the content and fully utilise the age of the domain. I have done this on the past and with 30 days hard work, instead of selling a one month old site, I sold a one year old site. You don’t need me to tell you the financial rewards were much better too!
I will draw this to a close (for fear of bogarting Bryan’s limelight) but just so you know, I have a follow up post in the making about ‘How To Make Money With Expired Domains’. All that remains for me to say is don’t forget to leave your comments and, if you have not done so already, check out the forums which have some great information…not to mention a really helpful community.
My new site Nota Bene Consulting is currently being labelled as work in progress so in the meantime I am open to doing a few guest posts if anybody can outbid Mr Clark for my services.





September 4th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Might try this. Never liked the whole domain flipping because it’s sort of a gamble. I often see webmasters at DP selling bundles for $X0.
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Bryan Clark reply on September 5th, 2008:
It’s always a gamble. Gotta take educated guesses and know your market though.
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September 4th, 2008 at 11:50 am
A lot of value to the post.
You can also make good money with orphan domains as well. Pick up a dot com that has decent stats which makes it easier to sell if plan A falls through but then you can sell the preffered dot com to dot net and dot org owners etc…for a good profit maybe $100 to $300 a piece on average more for better finds of course.
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Bryan Clark reply on September 5th, 2008:
Good point!
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September 4th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I have never bought an expired domain, but now I think I just might. It is a great idea to get good quality domains for cheap. You can then resell them for quick cash or take advantage of their age and build a site around them.
Thanks for all of the tips.
I have to remember not to let me domain expire
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Bryan Clark reply on September 5th, 2008:
Yes, don’t let that domain expire!
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September 4th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Freakin awesome dude! I’ve been looking at expired domain names and such from DNXpert.com He sends out a list I think each week or each day with 100+ expired domains. And talks about some of the same stuff you do…
I think he’s more of a domainer, but I like the idea of using them in site flips! Great stuff Neal
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Bryan Clark reply on September 5th, 2008:
I want my hats back sammich man!
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September 4th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I too have heard of TDNAM, but have not tried it. They do have loads of names up for sale, some good some NOT.
***Sidenote = What is your preferred tool for checking (keyword rich) domain names?
P.S. Good article, well done.
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Bryan Clark reply on September 5th, 2008:
Freshdrop.net
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Nota Bene Consulting reply on September 5th, 2008:
GOOD FIND! I will be testing this one later
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September 5th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Good information - thanks. One question: when you’re selling a new site on a previously expired domain, how do you respond to a buyer who questions the archive.org data though? For example some domains I’m looking at have no history. Also, some domains are going to show history that contradicts your the backdated posts (if it’s a blog). Ever had that happen?
Looking forward to the follow up article!
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Bryan Clark reply on September 5th, 2008:
Well, the easiest way is to be honest with them. When backdating posts, you aren’t doing it to fool the buyer, just to add value to a domain. Make sure and let them know when you REALLY started the site, and don’t let them think that it’s as old as the first post. It won’t matter, they’ll appreciate the articles that you’ve added!
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September 5th, 2008 at 1:35 am
@ All: Thanks for the feedback guys, glad you liked the post. Can I assume that you are keen to see a follow up article on this topic?
@ Missy: I tend to stick with wordtracker for my keyword research. I am addicted to gtrends!
@ Paul: Good question. My advice to you here is what I always do and that is to just be honest with the buyer. Essentially what they are buying is the domain, theme and content anyway - all you have done is put it all together for them and the most appealing way. People will do there due dilligence and therefore there is no point trying to hide anything. Just present it in the right way and any potential buyer with half a brain will have no qualms about the fact that you have backdated your posts. Hell…..most will not even ask if the content is good!
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Bryan Clark reply on September 5th, 2008:
Yes, follow up post Neal!
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September 5th, 2008 at 2:26 am
Yes, I think the only way forward is to be honest.
Very keen to see a follow up!
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Bryan Clark reply on September 5th, 2008:
Yep. People remember names of sellers. If you screw someone over, they’ll know it and avoid you like your name was Nota Bene.
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Nota Bene Consulting reply on September 5th, 2008:
Touché
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September 5th, 2008 at 3:27 am
@ Mr Wing Chun (You know who you are): Consider it done!
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paul reply on September 5th, 2008:
Hey thanks NB. You’re so much better than the other guy
The pieces are falling into place. The only bit I’m struggling with is how to get cheap (yet high quality) content to put on those nicely aged domains.
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September 5th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Thanks for a great post…. we talked about this a long while back and I really wanna get looking at some point….. just need the time
As soon as I get back off holiday I am going to work my ass off finishing all my projects so I can get on with some of my own domain searches and flips.
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September 10th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Great post, I’ve meant to try my hand at Domain flipping for quite a while. This just might be the motivation I need.
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